1] Article to which she is referring by Gorski and Novella; notice the date August 20, 2014. Experts denounce clinical trials of unscientific, 'alternative' medicines https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140820123248.htm
Experts writing in the Cell Press journal Trends in Molecular Medicine on August 20th call for an end to clinical trials of "highly implausible treatments" such as homeopathy and reiki. Over the last two decades, such complementary and alternative medicine (CAM) treatments have been embraced in medical academia despite budget constraints and the fact that they rest on dubious science, they say.2] Here is Scott's article concerning whooping cough. Again this article is over a year old but as with all SBM writings, it is well cited with relevant statistics and supporting data. Compared to Angela's little tirade that has no citations supporting her contentions. Scott even addresses the issue of "waning immunity".
- http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/pertussis/default.htm
- http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/surv-reporting.html
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15876927/
I could find no reference to her alleged conversation with Gorski.Naturally acquired-immunity isn’t superior, or even lifelong – for pertussis, immunity is short lived and will wane within years. It is no more “true” than the immunity provided by vaccination. Yes, the vaccine’s effectiveness will also wane, but you don’t need to endure the infection, and the risk of permanent harm and death, to get the benefit. You simply need to be immunized.
3] Is this the same Sin Hang Lee that has no understanding of molecular biology in regards to human papillomavirus L1 gene DNA fragments?
- https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/beware-hpv-dna-in-gardasil/
- http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/01/09/dr-sin-hang-lee-is-at-it-again-with-the-gardasil-fearmongering/
4] Considering Scott's statistics concerning the
*Please note my original entry contained a typo where I mistakenly entered DtP instead of the DTaP as mentioned by Gavura clearly in his article. Thank you to Angela for noting my error and bringing it to my attention.
Finally, further along in the conversation, one twatwaffle had the audacity to compare the acceptance of vaccine use to domestic violence saying that it is worse.
So like Vane and her bogus FOIA against Kevin Folta, Angela is harassing Dr Gorski. Doesn't she realize better attempts have been tried. Our doctors, scientist and researchers should not have to deal with these blatant attempts at harassment because they choose to educate the public on their own time.
H/T:: We Love GMOs and Vaccines
Dont worry, its fine, I found his email, and a few million more, so I did a full letter, would you like a copy? just email me angelaoffer@hotmail.com
ReplyDeleteNo the Science in Medicine page is a registered charity, for education about science. Not on, that whooping cough article Dr Gorski allowed was disgusting, fake photo, ridiculous information, and a set up, pretend non vaccer? Come on, how ridiculous. I suggest Dr Gorski listen to pathologists, instead of pharma reps, and ""pharma donations""
ReplyDeleteSince you provide no supporting documents in your screed, I am assuming you are referring to the Institute for Science in Medicine http://scienceinmedicine.org/ founded in 2009 by 27 Founding Fellows including Dr Gorski. http://scienceinmedicine.org/fellows/ I am unsure what the Institute has to do with the initial article in your tirade - Experts denounce clinical trials of unscientific, 'alternative' medicines. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas…/2014/…/140820123248.htm
DeleteWhat is this 26 Aug, 2014 non citation referring to? The "quotation" from the article you provide tells us nothing. And the only entry on SBM for that date concerns Wakefield.
One question I would like to pose to you,,,
Why do you have such an issue with this article, calling for an end to "highly implausible treatments", if you are so against the bad medicine of vaccination? It would be right up your alley as you believe vaccines are "implausible" preventive measures.
Not to be critical but if you want to be taken seriously you should really provide proper URLs or citations to articles (or blog posts) to avoid confusion.
While you call Scott Gavura's article "disgusting" and state the photo "fake", you offer nothing to refute Scott's presented information.
DeleteIn his article he documents the case of Heather Dexter, one of many examples available on the inter-web. Are all the documented cases false? What about all the photo's, are they all fake?
Please, by all means, if you can provide well established medical and scientific information refuting Scott's information, I would be happy to read it. Although you would have to provide proper citation to such so I (and others) can find it.
And what exactly are pathologist going to tell Dr Gorski that he already doesn't know? If you read his offerings on SBM concerning vaccines and vaccinations, you will find his writing very well researched and cited with relevant supporting material. You on the other hand provide nothing but opinion.
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ReplyDeleteInteresting, you talk about ""Considering Scott's statistics concerning the DtP vaccine are from the CDC, I not quite sure what Angela is bitching about.""" DTP hasnt been used in years in the USA< do you lot actually have any clue about vaccines, at all? DT AP acellular pertussis vaccine IS NOT DTP!!
ReplyDeleteAs for reference 1, in your notes, I havent the faintest clue what you are on about, my interest is in informing DR Gorski that Dtap vaccines, have caused the massive 460000 PER CENT increase in whooping cough in USA, since 1996, when this untested, untrialled vaccine based more on GMO lets give it a try see what happens attitude, than on any science at all. Which has now become blindingly obvious to EVERYONE except Mr Gorski, and The CDC. Even FDA clearly stated in 2013, that the vaccinated, WERE THE CARRIERS SPREADING WHOOPING COUGH TO BABIES, without symptoms. Enjoy your evening, and if you want to clarify, just email me or phone me.................... its on my facebook page :)
Thank you for catching my typo, it has been corrected. As a recent stroke victim, my eyes are not as good as they used to be and big pHARMA doesnt pay their shills very well, if at all, to get them completely fixed. I haven't received jack shit since moving to Mumbai a year ago.
Delete[Actually I live in northcentral PA, USA, as a PT dishwasher. Currently, although a year from my first stroke, I am still in recovery and unable to work FT. If you want to hear what I sound like you can catch me on BTTP, a weekly atheist themed show I am a co-host. (Thought I would save you the trouble of snooping on my FB page,,,lol,,,although it is public.)]
While that is besides the point, it's nice to know that your grammar and typing ability are so perfect that accidental typos are not part of your repertoire. Had you actually read Scott's article you would have realized I was speaking to DTaP and not DtP.
As you state DtP has not been used in the US since 1996, what you fail to mention is that "[t]here are several formulations of vaccines used to prevent diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis. Some are combined with vaccines to prevent other diseases and reduce the total number of shots that someone receives at one office visit. In the U.S., DTaP, Tdap, and Td vaccines are most commonly used. One of these (DTaP) is given to children younger than 7 years of age, and two (Tdap and Td) are given to older children and adults." Regretfully the nomenclature is easily confused. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/pertussis/public/index.html
Please cite where you are getting the figure of ",,,460000 PER CENT increase in whooping cough in USA, since 1996,,,". I can not find this figure in any literature. http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/surv-reporting.html Is that a typo? And specifically what age group are you referring to as DTaP is only used under the age of 7? (Tdap is given to older children and adults.)
Exactly what is your issue with GE or GM vaccines?
DeleteDo you or anyone close to you require Humulin? If so might want to rethink that as Humulin is a GE/GM product. Or are you against the use of insulin as well?
You may want to reconsider this statement, ",,,this untested, untrialled vaccine based more on GMO,,,"
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The pertussis vaccine clinical trials conducted during the 1990s were widely regarded as highly successful. The need to conduct the trials was clear. Industry, academia, and US and international governmental partners quickly came together, which resulted in the trials largely starting and concluding in the first half of the decade. In addition to rapidly generating efficacy data that supported the licensure of acellular vaccines in many countries, the unprecedented level of collaboration across these groups laid a foundation for ongoing vaccine development efforts and collaborations in many different areas—a legacy that persists today,,, http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/209/suppl_1/S4.long
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See also:: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/100/5/772.long
Although differences were observed in reaction rates among the DTaP vaccines given as a fourth dose, the DTaP vaccines were, in general, associated with fewer adverse events than a US-licensed DTwP. For DTaP vaccines, fever; irritability; and injection site pain, redness, and swelling occurred more frequently after the fourth dose than after the third dose of the same vaccine in the primary series. No DTaP was consistently most or least reactogenic or immunogenic. Although serologic correlates of pertussis immunity are not defined, it is clear that most DTaP vaccines can stimulate comparable or higher serum antibody responses than DTwP for those antigens contained in the vaccine.
Just two of many if you utilize PubMed or Google Scholar.
"Even FDA clearly stated in 2013, that the vaccinated, WERE THE CARRIERS SPREADING WHOOPING COUGH TO BABIES, without symptoms."
DeleteFirst here is the press release you speak of. http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm376937.htm And here is the study. http://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/787.full Now was that hard providing the proper URLs?
Let's take a look shall we,,,
I'm not quite sure what you are insinuating. Might it be that science was not aware that the acellular pertussis vaccine is not as protective as the whole cell version? We already knew that. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/131/6/e1716
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/1456027
And, you do realize this study was performed on baboons? As the paper notes, "[a]lthough a variety of small-animal models have been used to study pertussis, none of them adequately reproduce the human disease." It is why this study is important, while animal models don't always cross over to the human population ",,,we recently developed a nonhuman primate model of pertussis using baboons (Papio anubis) and found the disease is very similar to severe clinical pertussis."
And just an FYI, this notion of pertussis vaccination with asymptomatic infection has been documented at least since 2000. It's not something new and exciting. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2627963/
Or maybe you're trying to say that only those who have been vaccinated carry the disease. Or worse yet, that the vaccine causes the asymptomatic infection. Put another way, vaccines are useless because people still transmit pertussis.
First, let me address the notion of vaccines CAUSING the asymptomatic infection. Because, I think that is what you are trying to say. It is very simple really, it's not possible!!
Why?
The vaccine contains antigens, but not the whole bacteria. There is nothing alive in the vaccine, so there’s nothing to transmit. http://justthevax.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/100-certainty.html
Problem is you miss the big push of what this paper does say. There is less chance of a vaccinated individual contracting pertussis than an unvaccinated individual. http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/effectiveness-of-pertussis-vaccines-science-vs-lies/ As well as, if you are vaccinated and DO contract pertussis, symptoms are not as severe. http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/pertussis-vaccine-reduced-length-severity-whooping-cough/ In other words, being vaccinated against whooping cough is not a guarantee that it will prevent an asymptomatic infection, but it will lessen the severity.
Taken all togather is shows the importance of attaining and maintaining herd immunity. A concept I assume you do not accept as being real.
Really Angela I am quite disappointed. For all your bloviating, you got nothing. No originality in thought what so ever from someone of your alleged background. I was expecting more than a rehash of worn out AV talking points.
Came here by accident... yes, vaccines do cause autism, and most people are smarter than most doctors... lol. Treatment by a physician is the number one killer in the USA right now. So weather you are a florist, or a factory worker,,, my health would be safer in your hands than a MD. And most people no longer trust what the pharmaceuticals and CDC, FDA have to say as they are no longer trusted to tell the truth about anything. Its all skewed "science" leaning towards profit rather than health. USA is the most vaccinated country with the highest infant mortality rates and the most chronically ill children.
ReplyDeleteI am assuming (forgive me if you are not associated with Angela), SD, that you are one of Angela's brain-dead minions by your opening, ",,,yes, vaccines do cause autism,,,". I will also briefly address your "death by doctor/death by medicine" assertion and the "USA is the most vaccinated country with the highest infant mortality rates and the most chronically ill children" claim. The later being a favorite of Sherri Tenpenny.
DeleteBut first, as SafeMinds has recently discovered, vaccines do not cause autism. http://www.pnas.org/content/112/40/12498.full.pdf A recent study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, examined the link between autism and vaccines over the course of six years — the study found no link at all.
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Autism is a childhood neurodevelopmental disorder affecting
approximately 1 in 70 children in the United States. Some parents
believe that thimerosal-containing vaccines and/or the measles,
mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine are involved in the etiology of
autism. Here we gave nonhuman primate infants similar vaccines
given to human infants to determine whether the animals
exhibited behavioral and/or neuropathological changes characteristic of autism. >>>No behavioral changes were observed in the vaccinated animals, nor were there neuropathological changes in the cerebellum, hippocampus, or amygdala. This study does not
support the hypothesis that thimerosal-containing vaccines
and/or the MMR vaccine play a role in the etiology of autism.<<<
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End of story. This issue has been researched https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/21/no-link-between-mmr-and-autism-major-study-concludes to death since Wakefield's fraud, http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/ and the findings have always been the same, there is no link between vaccines and autism.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html No matter how SafeMinds wants to twist the data to their preconceived notions, it just won't work.
FYI:: SafeMinds has contested the findings http://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaxxers-accidentally-fund-study-showing-theres-no-link-between-autism-and-379245?piano_t=1 of the study based on the results of preliminary data from 2010 which led to this current study. What is boils down to, "'the data should be treated as preliminary until all of the animals had completed the study.' She added that none of the study’s procedures changed once her team moved from the pilot program to a larger sample."
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She added that all of the researchers, technicians and behaviorists involved in collection and analysis of data did not know which of the monkeys were in the vaccine groups or the control group. The researchers also implemented a “chain of custody” protocol once the data were collected, in which they reviewed chronological documentation that shows the control, transfer and analysis of all data sets. Hewitson says that her team used an independent statistical consultant for all data analysis, and that two additional outside investigators from two other academic institutions confirmed their findings.
“As you can see, we have done everything possible to ensure the integrity of the data. My co-authors and I stand by our published findings,” she says. “The comprehensive nature of the current study underscores why the findings from the pilot study should be interpreted with an abundance of caution, given the small number of animals included.”
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Newsweek has more on that alleged controversy if anyone cares to read.
[According to Newsweek, this is a companion paper by some of the same researchers. http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/1408257/ It assessed the learning and social behaviors of the same group of monkeys and found the vaccines did not affect their development.]
I could add more, but I have a feeling you will just ignore it anyways. The studies all same the same anyways,,,vaccines don't cause autism!!
124 papers that DO NOT prove vaccines cause autism http://www.docbastard.net/2016/05/124-papers-that-do-not-prove-vaccines.html
DeleteAngela has tried many times to pass herself off as a pathologist ans chemical analyst several times. The woman is insane and dangerous. How is it she can get away with fraudulently representing herself as such?
ReplyDeleteAngela has tried many times to pass herself off as a pathologist ans chemical analyst several times. The woman is insane and dangerous. How is it she can get away with fraudulently representing herself as such?
ReplyDeleteOh Angela we all know how self-deluded you are. Go back to your flower arranging and let scientists get on with their jobs.
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